Why was Karr so important to Lacy??

[smurf]

Ok so we know that JMK was/is the resident nutter on the JBR case, but why was he so important to ML and why did she feel the need to go the lenghts of getting him from Thailand to US? And whay was she so desperate to exhonerate the Ramsey's?

Right off the bat i would like to say that from all the transcripts and interviews i have seen including the highly publicesed return the the US he NEVER actually admited to murdering JBR; he said he was with her when she died and that her death was an accident. It was one of the Thai officials that said Karr had stated that he had attempted to kidnap her then strangled her when it all went wrong and as far as i am aware there is no official confirmation that Karr said this.


Mary Lacey's relentless pursuit of Karr was a way to claw back some of the reputation that was so severly damaged by this case through media leaks and other things, that the Boulder DA needed a 'scape goat' to clear the family and put this awful crime to bed once and for all her downfall was none of the evidence matched Karr and his supposed confession that by rights isn't a confession at all. I asked a police friend of my grandmothers if what Karr said was deemed a confession and he told me that it would be classified as a partial disclosure that needed futher investigation.

I started looking into Karr's background to try and create a better picture of who this man is and why he would try to tie himself to one of the most notorious crimes of our time.

There was a significantly large age gap between Karr's mother and father and was the same large gap between the father and his second wife both marriges broke down and Karr's early life was somewhat turbulant as his mother believed that Karr was possesed by deamons and tried to burn him alive as an infant she was subesquently sectioned. Karr moved around quite a bit as a child also. Karr was twice married once to a 13 year old girl whom he took out of state to marry her and lied about her age, the girls sister said Karr abused her sister in everyway possible; the girl applied to the courts for an annulmet of said marrige on the grounds she feared for her life at the time of the wedding. Karr's second marrige was to a 16 year old girl whom he had gotten pregnant ( twin girls were born in the september after the marrige but died the same day).

Karr and his second wife had three boys in quick succession but divorced in 2001 after Karr was arrested for 5 misdemeanour counts of possesing child pornography, for which he recieved probation and the court records were sealed. Karr had a job as a teacher in 14 different schools some of which he was accused of molestation and impropriety with minors. He also had a licence for daycare with up to 6 childre at a time ranging in age from birth to 14, Karr eventually relocated to Thailand where he taught at a school and did daycare for a family and was eventually arrested for child abuse by the Thai authorities it was then he instigated he was linked to the death of Jonbenet and the information filtered back to Lacey who had Karr extradited back to the US, Karr had also been corresponding for 4 years with Michael Tracey the U of C proffessor about his involvement with the emails becoming more and more graphic. Karr is currently living as the trams-gender woman named Alexis.

Sorry for rehasing most of the stuff we already know but it is nessasary i promise.

Karr , being raised in a family where the dominat male is undertaking relationships with girls significantly younger thatn him taught Karr that this was acceptable behaviour. He has an extroverted personality so he craves attention and needs to be recognised for anything he does no matter how grotesque the act is and so would not have kept quiet about being involved in JBRs death for so long he wouldn't have been able to keep a lid on it and the more media intrest grew the more difficult he would have found it to contain himself. For someone with his personality type any attention is good attention.

Karr driven by an all consuming obsession felt the compulsion to be connected with JBR and possibly PR too as in his emails he never wanted to conversate with John just Patsy possibly becsause it would have been easier to taunt the emotional Patsy where as john would have been a tougher nut to crack. Karr's obsession with her ran so deep he fabricated a relationship between him and Jonbenet to the point where he truly believed he was an importand part of her life, Jonbenet consumed Karr to the point where he lived and breathed JBR.

Even now as people discuss this case over the net or in person Karr's name is mentioned so he forever immoralized as the crackpot wierdo that claimed to kill JBR and has a perchant for little girls.

If anyone has been able to stomach reading his trash or watching his interviews you will see that he never says "yep i'm your guy i killed her i did this, this and this" him knowing details of the murder are irrelevant as most of us know the same if not more that he does, he skirts invasive questions with "i'm not answering that" or " i can't say" he just repetes that he was with her when she died and thes is the most important line in his whole vile speech because being with some one when they die doesn't make you a killer it means that you were witness to them dying, and when he says it was an accident well that is the general consensus between RDI and even some IDI say gthe same.

Karr was asked if he was innocent and he said no, but as he said he was only with her when she died the only thing he is guilty of is failing to report an accident.

Getting back to ML she was one contradiction after another riding the coat tails of AH. Hunters preformance on this case is laughable his unethical and unprofessionl demeanour futher damaged a botched case and Lacy just picked up where he left off, Karr was a damage limitation excersise at the expence of the tax payer to put this case to bed and forget about it. She took a gamble on Karr and it was an epic backfire and was on show for the whole world to see because by then the whole world wanted answers.

Undoubtely Karr is an active predatiry pedophile regsrdless of his/her sex and should never be let within spitting distance of a child of any age but the point id that a district attorneys office were praying that DNA was a match or his writing matched the ransome note so that they could scapegoat an innocent man ( I know he didd't do much to discoursge them); But the sheer eagerness of a DA to extradite someone who gave no confession or DNA, handwrting to make her self look good and clear a family of suspicion was stupidity at it greatest; she went on to say that unless you were there at the time no one can be cleared beyond reasonable doubt forgive me if the quote isn't 100% accurate.

There seemed to be an element of point scoring because the BPD had no suspects except the Ramsey's and the DAs office had seemingly caught the perfect perp. Bottom line, Lacy needed Karr to be the perp for a bucket load of reasons such as; the image of the big bad bogey man was real and he killed JBR, to put the case to bed once and for all and to possibly futher Lacy's political career. Karr was too good to be true, since when does the culprit of the most publicized murder fall into the lap of the authorities? THEY DON'T!! Lacy tried to pull the wool over the worlds eyes and failed.

[Mama2JML]

It was a "no win" situation for Lacy, IMO. If and when the general American public learned of JMK's confession of sorts, there would have been outrage had authorities not followed through with the extradition. At the time, Karr, was also facing a possible conviction on child pornography charges in Sonoma County, CA. After the JBR "fiasco", Karr was returned to CA to await trial on the aforementioned child porn charges. As if this story was not bizarre enough, the computer evidence implicating Karr in CA "disappeared" and the judge was forced to dismiss the case due to the prosecution's lack of evidence.

Karr was quite visible and interactive on internet forums for a long period of time, he has since "vanished" from the public spotlight. Why, I wonder? I suspect he/she is up to "no good". This is quite unfortunate for the residents of the area in which he now resides.

[FairM]

What do you mean important to her? he was a suspect that needed checking out which is what happened. They rightly brought him back to the US not only on this case but because he was also wanted in connection with downloading indecent images of children whilst in US.

There is nothing sinister in this the DA wasn't trying to frame an innocent man at all.

I shudder to think what this freak is up to these days

[Mama2JML]

Originally Posted by FairM

What do you mean important to her? he was a suspect that needed checking out which is what happened. They rightly brought him back to the US not only on this case but because he was also wanted in connection with downloading indecent images of children whilst in US.

There is nothing sinister in this the DA wasn't trying to frame an innocent man at all.

I shudder to think what this freak is up to these days

...as do I. JMK's sudden departure from the public eye is suspiscious. I am hopeful that he remains on the FBI's radar screen. He does have "interesting" connections, one being his former tenant/neighbor, James Leroy Davie. JLD was convicted of numerous sex crimes against a child, including torture. This man, like Karr, had to be extradited to face the charges against him. He was sent back to AL by Australian authorities, in 2006. JLD was scheduled for release in Sept of 2011. He is no longer listed as an inmate per AL's dept. of corrections. So, I assume he has been released. I have been searching for info about JLD's release, sex offender registration, location, etc. I have found NOTHING. There is a "JL DavieS" in PA, but the charges, dates, locations, age, etc. do not match. ...not the same guy.

Regardless of JMK's or JLD's involvement/lack thereof in JBR's murder, I would hope that authorities are keeping a watchful eye on these two sexual predators. (...and all the others, of course.) I am beginning to think "the authorities" are involved in an investigation much bigger than just Karr or Davies. I find it quite suspicious that these two, connected, pedophiles were able to finance their "trips" overseas and evade authorities for extended lengths of time. Upon returning to the U.S., JMK's Sonoma County charges were dropped, b/c evidence went missing. AND, now, JLD has no publicly accessible record of his sex offender status, no record of his release, and no indication of his current location of residence. Maybe I have fallen short in my research, perhaps it's "my bad"... However, IF all of these unknowns remain a mystery, is it possible that JMK and/or JLD are being protected by "the authorities" for investigatory purposes?

[smurf]

I didn't mean important in the literal sense, and i agree with you 100% he/ she is a freak and should be watched closely for the rest of his natural.

What i was trying to get at was she could have gone about it in a less public way; i know he was singing his song to any camera that would give him air time but Lacy could have refused comment or kept it to a minimum, it was just that she gave me the impression that she had pinned everything on him being the culprit is all.

Personally i think creatures like him should be shot, and for once i wasn't directing this post towards the ramseys but if they are innocent then the JMK fiasco put them through something i feel could have been avoided.

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by FairM

What do you mean important to her? he was a suspect that needed checking out which is what happened. They rightly brought him back to the US not only on this case but because he was also wanted in connection with downloading indecent images of children whilst in US.

There is nothing sinister in this the DA wasn't trying to frame an innocent man at all.

Oh, don't be naive, FairM. He was the perfect pigeon for Mary Lacy: he fit her idea--and that of many other people--of what JB's killer would be like. And even if he hadn't done it, which he didn't, I'm sure she would have felt no guilt sending him up the river for other things. And it wasn't as if he wasn't willing. He wanted to put his own head in the noose. And I'm convinced that they would have done it if they thought they could have gotten away with it. But they shot themselves in the foot.

No, Craig Silverman and Dan Caplis said it best: JMK was Mary Lacy's attempt to give a gift to the Ramseys. That SHOULD have been the end of her career. She should have done the right thing and stepped down from office to save whatever dignity she and her office had left. And failing that, the governor should have PULLED her out. ST agrees with me.

[Hippo]

I'm a little hazy on the whole Karr debacle.

Couldn't they have ruled him out while he was still in Thailand?

They could still extradite him for the child pornography, but at least it would not have been such a circus if the public had known that he definitely had no connection to JonBenet.

[FairM]

Originally Posted by SuperDave

Oh, don't be naive, FairM. He was the perfect pigeon for Mary Lacy: he fit her idea--and that of many other people--of what JB's killer would be like. And even if he hadn't done it, which he didn't, I'm sure she would have felt no guilt sending him up the river for other things. And it wasn't as if he wasn't willing. He wanted to put his own head in the noose. And I'm convinced that they would have done it if they thought they could have gotten away with it. But they shot themselves in the foot.

No, Craig Silverman and Dan Caplis said it best: JMK was Mary Lacy's attempt to give a gift to the Ramseys. That SHOULD have been the end of her career. She should have done the right thing and stepped down from office to save whatever dignity she and her office had left. And failing that, the governor should have PULLED her out. ST agrees with me.

"ST agrees with me" .... just confirm again that you are def not ST>?

you make it sound as though it was one big conspiracy ..why would Lacy want to give a gift to the Ramseys?

It is a shame they couldn't lock this freak up and throw away the key! good his mug was shown all over the world.. kids look out remember his face, be warned!

I will await your return in say oh about 3 months time SD

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by FairM

"ST agrees with me" .... just confirm again that you are def not ST>?

I hope my BIRTH CERTIFICATE won't be necessary!

you make it sound as though it was one big conspiracy

Hey, don't start with the whole "conspiracy" jazz, all right? I get enough of that from Roy to last me quite a while.

..why would Lacy want to give a gift to the Ramseys?

A few reasons. The most notable one being her own ego. And that's not just my opinion. A lot of people who knew her, including her own campaign staff, have said the same. Lacy wanted to be a hero and validate her personal prejudices all at once.

I will await your return in say oh about 3 months time SD

No need to wait that long!

[FairM]

Originally Posted by SuperDave

I hope my BIRTH CERTIFICATE won't be necessary!



Hey, don't start with the whole "conspiracy" jazz, all right? I get enough of that from Roy to last me quite a while.



A few reasons. The most notable one being her own ego. And that's not just my opinion. A lot of people who knew her, including her own campaign staff, have said the same. Lacy wanted to be a hero and validate her personal prejudices all at once.



No need to wait that long!

LOL ...yea you can always get a fake birth certificate ...

[Roy23]

It is all one big conspiricy. Everyone is in on it. The US Govt, Boulder Govt, and the Chinese. But big Dave is too smart to be fooled. I am ready for Dave's Pelican Brief.

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by FairM

LOL ...yea you can always get a fake birth certificate ...

Looks like the "Birther" craze has hit the crime forums!

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by Roy23

It is all one big conspiracy. Everyone is in on it. The US Govt, Boulder Govt, and the Chinese. But big Dave is too smart to be fooled. I am ready for Dave's Pelican Brief.

Come on, Roy, don't make a fool of yourself.

[Roy23]

Originally Posted by SuperDave

Oh, yes, I forgot: you haven't been around WS much lately, so you probably wouldn't have read my responses yet.

Then again, it might not matter if you had.

Yeah, I read it. Not a believer in such wild conspiricies. You make the Ramsey's sound like they are the Kennedy's. Or Royal Family for that matter.

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by Roy23

Yeah, I read it.

Could have fooled me, brother.

Not a believer in such wild conspiracies.

Well, if you HAD read it, you'd know that I don't believe in any conspiracies, either. Much less "wild" ones, whatever the hell you meant by that.

You make the Ramsey's sound like they are the Kennedy's. Or Royal Family for that matter.

That's YOUR interpretation, and you're welcome to it...no matter how wrong it is.

But you just keep painting me as a big conspiracy-monger. I'm sure it does wonders for your image around here.