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JonBenét Ramsey Murder Case The ongoing search for the killer of six-year-old JonBenét Ramsey, who was murdered Christmas night, 1996 in Boulder, Colorado. No one has ever been charged with her murder.

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Arrow redpill: lessons Mr. Cruel "we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures"

Originally Posted by Hippo
I'm still here, Spin.

Do you want the blue pill or the red pill?
Take the Blue pill, and wait for SD to arrive with his kool-aid.
Take the red pill, and I'll show you how deep this rabbit hole goes.

Remember, all I offer you is the truth, nothing more.

Originally Posted by FairM
I wish Smurf would come back , I miss her!

Spin - be warned I have it on good authority SD Will return!

Don't change your name Spin , it won't suit you

Oh dear we have a lesson?? I was famous for my "giggling" in class at school doh I day dream as well.....

very well, here's your next lesson, and feel free to day dream

This is the ransom note, I will highlight lesson's

Originally Posted by Mr. Cruel
Mr. Ramsey

Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We do respect your bussiness [sic] but not the country that it serves. At this time we have your daughter in our posession [sic]. She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see 1997, you must follow our instructions to the letter.

You will withdraw $118,000.00 from your account. $100,000 will be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank. When you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between 8 and 10 am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence a [sic] earlier delivery pick-up of your daughter.

Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them. Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as Police, F.B.I., etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies. You will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found, she dies. You can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics. You stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter if you try to out smart [sic] us. Follow our instructions and you stand a 100% chance of getting her back.

You and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us John. Use that good southern common sense of yours. It is up to you now John!



You can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics.

First what are law enforcement countermeasures and tactics?


Who's at the Scene?

Police officers are typically the first to arrive at a crime scene. They arrest the perpetrator is he's still there and call for an ambulance if necessary. They are responsible for securing the scene so no evidence is destroyed.
The CSI unit documents the crime scene in detail and collects any physical evidence.
The district attorney is often present to help determine if the investigators require any search warrants to proceed and obtain those warrants from a judge.
The medical examiner (if a homicide) may or may not be present to determine a preliminary cause of death.
Specialists (entomologists, forensic scientists, forensic psychologists) may be called in if the evidence requires expert analysis.
Detectives interview witnesses and consult with the CSI unit. They investigate the crime by following leads provided by witnesses and physical evidence.

On TV shows like "CSI," viewers get to watch as investigators find and collect evidence at the scene of a crime, making blood appear as if by magic and swabbing every mouth in the vicinity*. Many of us believe we have a pretty good grip on the process, and rumor has it criminals are getting a jump on the good guys using tips they pick up from these shows about forensics. But does Hollywood get it right? Do crime scene investigators follow their DNA samples into the lab? Do they interview suspects and catch the bad guys, or is their job all about collecting physical evidence? In this article, we'll examine what really goes on when a CSI "processes a crime scene" and get a real-world view of crime scene investigation from a primary scene responder with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation.
CSI Basics
*Crime scene investigation is the meeting point of science, logic and law. "Processing a crime scene" is a long, tedious process that involves purposeful documentation of the conditions at the scene and the collection of any physical evidence that coul*d possibly illuminate what happened and point to who did it. There is no typical crime scene, there is no typical body of evidence and there is no typical investigative approach.
At any given crime scene, a CSI might collect dried blood from a windowpane -- without letting his arm brush the glass in case there are any latent fingerprints there, lift hair off a victim's jacket using tweezers so he doesn't disturb the fabric enough to shake off any of the white powder (which may or may not be cocaine) in the folds of the sleeve, and use a sledge hammer to break through a wall that seems to be the point of origin for a terrible smell.

All the while, the physical evidence itself is only part of the equation. The ultimate goal is the conviction of the perpetrator of the crime. So while the CSI scrapes off the dried blood without smearing any prints, lifts several hairs without disturbing any trace evidence and smashes through a wall in the living room, he's considering all of the necessary steps to preserve the evidence in its current form, what the lab can do with this evidence in order to reconstruct the crime or identify the criminal, and the legal issues involved in making sure this evidence is admissible in court.
The investigation of a crime scene begins when the CSI unit receives a call from the police officers or detectives on the scene. The overall system works something like this:
  • The CSI arrives on the scene and makes sure it is secure. She does an initial walk-through to get an overall feel for the crime scene, finds out if anyone moved anything before she arrived, and generates initial theories based on visual examination. She makes note of potential evidence. At this point, she touches nothing.
  • The CSI thoroughly documents the scene by taking photographs and drawing sketches during a second walk-through. Sometimes, the documentation stage includes a video walk-through, as well. She documents the scene as a whole and documents anything she has identified as evidence. She still touches nothing.
  • Now it's time to touch stuff -- very, very carefully. The CSI systematically makes her way through the scene collecting all potential evidence, tagging it, logging it and packaging it so it remains intact on its way to the lab. Depending on the task breakdown of the CSI unit she works for and her areas of expertise, she may or may not analyze the evidence in the lab.
  • The crime lab processes all of the evidence the CSI collected at the crime scene. When the lab results are in, they go to the lead detective on the case.
Every CSI unit handles the division between field work and lab work differently. What goes on at the crime scene is called crime scene investigation (or crime scene analysis), and what goes on in the laboratory is called forensic science. Not all CSIs are forensic scientists. Some CSIs only work in the field -- they collect the evidence and then pass it to the forensics lab. In this case, the CSI must still possess a good understanding of forensic science in order to recognize the specific value of various types of evidence in the field. But in many cases, these jobs overlap.

Joe Clayton is a primary crime scene responder at the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI). He has 14 years of field experience and also is an expert in certain areas of forensic science. As Clayton explains, his role in laboratory analysi*s varies according to the type of evidence he brings back from the crime scene:
*Depending on what scientific examinations are needed or requested, I may be involved in the actual "bench work" once the evidence is submitted to the laboratory. I have expertise in blood pattern identification (blood spatter), trajectory determination, serology (blood and body fluids), and photography. I also have knowledge in many other areas (firearms, fingerprints, questioned documents...) that may assist me at the scene. As a primary crime scene responder at the CBI, my role at the scene may involve one or more of my particular disciplines. While I would not do a functionality test on a firearm here at the laboratory, my role at the crime scene would be to collect the gun and understand its potential evidentiary significance.
Crime scene investigation is a massive undertaking. Let's start at the beginning: scene recognition.

t the Crime Scene: Finding the Evidence

Photo courtesy U.S. Aid
*The goal of the evidence-collection stage is to fin*d, collect and preserve all physical evidence that might serve to recreate the crime and identify the perpetrator in a manner that will stand up in court. Evidence can come in any form. Some typical kinds of evidence a CSI might find at a crime scene include:
  • Trace evidence (gunshot residue, paint residue, broken glass, unknown chemicals, drugs)
  • Impressions (fingerprints, footwear, tool marks)
  • Body fluids (blood, semen, saliva, vomit)
  • Hair and fibers
  • Weapons and firearms evidence (knives, guns, bullet holes, cartridge casings)
  • Questioned documents (diaries, suicide note, phone books; also includes electronic documents like answering machines and caller ID units)
With theories of the crime in mind, CSIs begin the systematic search for incriminating evidence, taking meticulous notes along the way. If there is a dead body at the scene, the search probably starts there.
Examining the body
A CSI might collect evidence from the body at the crime scene or he might wait until the body arrives at the morgue. In either case, the CSI does at least a visual examination of the body and surrounding area at the scene, taking pictures and detailed notes.
Before moving the body, the CSI makes note of details including:
  • Are there any stains or marks on the clothing?
  • Is the clothing bunched up in particular direction? If so, this could indicate dragging.
  • Are there any bruises, cuts or marks on body? Any defense wounds? Any injuries indicating, consistent with or inconsistent with the preliminary cause of death?
  • Is there anything obviously missing? Is there a tan mark where a watch or ring should be?
  • If blood is present in large amounts, does the direction of flow follow the laws of gravity? If not, the body may have been moved.
  • If no blood is present in the area surrounding the body, is this consistent with the preliminary cause of death? If not, the body may have been moved.
  • Are there any bodily fluids present beside blood?
  • Is there any insect activity on the body? If so, the CSI may call in a forensic entomologist to analyze the activity for clues as to how long the person has been dead.
After moving the body, he performs the same examination of the other side of the victim. At this point, he may also take the body temperature and the ambient room temperature to assist in determining an estimated time of death (although most forensic scientists say that time of death determinations are extremely unreliable -- the human body is unpredictable and there are too many variables involved). He will also take fingerprints of the deceased either at the scene or at the ME's office.
Once the CSI is done documenting the conditions of body and the immediately surrounding area, technicians wrap the body in a white cloth and put paper bags over the hands and feet for transportation to the morgue for an autopsy. These precautions are for the purpose of preserving any trace evidence on the victim. A CSI will usually attend the autopsy and take additional *pictures or video footage and collect additional evidence, especially tissue samples from major organs, for analysis at the crime lab.
Examining the scene
There are several search patterns available for a CSI to choose from to assure complete coverage and the most efficient use of resources. These patterns may include:
  • The inward spiral search: The CSI starts at the perimeter of the scene and works toward the center. Spiral patterns are a good method to use when there is only one CSI at the scene.
While searching the scene, a CSI is looking for details including:
  • Are the doors and windows locked or unlocked? Open or shut? Are there signs of forced entry, such as tool marks or broken locks?
  • Is the house in good order? If not, does it look like there was a struggle or was the victim just messy?
  • Is there mail lying around? Has it been opened?
  • Is the kitchen in good order? Is there any partially eaten food? Is the table set? If so, for how many people?
  • Are there signs of a party, such as empty glasses or bottles or full ashtrays?
  • If there are full ashtrays, what brands of cigarettes are present? Are there any lipstick or teeth marks on the butts?
  • Is there anything that seems out of place? A glass with lipstick marks in a man's apartment, or the toilet seat up in a woman's apartment? Is there a couch blocking a doorway?
  • Is there trash in the trash cans? Is there anything out of the ordinary in the trash? Is the trash in the right chronological order according to dates on mail and other papers? If not, someone might have been looking for something in the victim's trash.
  • Do the clocks show the right time?
  • Are the bathroom towels wet? Are the bathroom towels missing? Are there any signs of a cleanup?
  • If the crime is a shooting, how many shots were fired? The CSI will try to locate the gun, each bullet, each shell casing and each bullet hole.
  • If the crime is a stabbing, is a knife obviously missing from victim's kitchen? If so, the crime may not have been premeditated.
  • Are there any shoe prints on tile, wood or linoleum floors or in the area immediately outside the building?
  • Are there any tire marks in the driveway or in the area around the building?
  • Is there any blood splatter on floors, walls or ceilings?
*The actual collection of physical evidence is a slow process. Each time the CSI collects an item, he must immediately preserve it, tag it and log it for the crime scene record. Different types of evidence may be collected either at the scene or in lab depending on conditions and resources. Mr. Clayton, for instance, never develops latent fingerprints at the scene. He always sends fingerprints to the lab for development in a controlled environment. In the next section, we'll talk about collection methods for specific types of evidence.

Evidence Collection

*In *collecting evidence from a crime scene, the CSI has several main goals in mind: Reconstruct the crime, identify the person who did it, preserve the evidence for analysis and collect it in a way that will make it stand up in court.

CBI Denver trace-evidence room
Trace evidence
Trace evidence might include gun-shot residue (GSR), paint residue, chemicals, glass and illicit drugs. To collect trace evidence, a CSI might use tweezers, plastic containers with lids, a filtered vacuum device and a knife. He will also have a biohazard kit on hand containing disposable latex gloves, booties, face mask and gown and a biohazard waste bag.
If the crime involves a gun, the CSI will collect clothing from the victim and anyone who may have been at the scene so the lab can test for GSR. GSR on the victim can indicate a close shot, and GSR on anyone else can indicate a suspect. The CSI places all clothing in sealed paper bags for transport to the lab. If he finds any illicit drugs or unknown powders at the scene, he can collect them using a knife and then seal each sample in a separate, sterile container. The lab can identify the substance, determine its purity and see what else is in the sample in trace amounts. These tests might determine drug possession, drug tampering or whether the composition could have killed or incapacitated a victim.
Technicians discover a lot of the trace evidence for a crime in the lab when they shake out bedding, clothing, towels, couch cushions and other items found at the scene. At the CBI Denver Crime Lab, technicians shake out the items in a sterile room, onto a large, white slab covered with paper.
The technicians then send any trace evidence they find to the appropriate department. In the Denver Crime Lab, things like soil, glass and paint stay in the trace-evidence lab, illicit drugs and unknown substances go to the chemistry lab, and hair goes to the DNA lab.
Body fluids
Body fluids found at a crime scene might include blood, semen, saliva, and vomit. To identify and collect these pieces of evidence, a CSI might use smear slides, a scalpel, tweezers, scissors, sterile cloth squares, a UV light, protective eyewear and luminol. He'll also use a blood collection kit to get samples from any suspects or from a living victim to use for comparison.
If the victim is dead and there is blood on the body, the CSI collects a blood sample either by submitting a piece of clothing or by using a sterile cloth square and a small amount of distilled water to remove some blood from the body. Blood or saliva collected from the body may belong to someone else, and the lab will perform DNA analysis so the sample can be used later to compare to blood or saliva taken from a suspect. The CSI will also scrape the victim's nails for skin -- if there was a struggle, the suspect's skin (and therefore DNA) may be under the victim's nails. If there is dried blood on any furniture at the scene, the CSI will try to send the entire piece of furniture to the lab. A couch is not an uncommon piece of evidence to collect. If the blood is on something that can't reasonably go to the lab, like a wall or a bathtub, the CSI can collect it by scraping it into a sterile container using a scalpel. The CSI may also use luminol and a portable UV light to reveal blood that has been washed off a surface.
If there is blood at the scene, there may also be blood spatter patterns. These patterns can reveal the type of weapon that was used -- for instance, a "cast-off pattern" is left when something like a baseball bat contacts a blood source and then swings back. The droplets are large and often tear-drop shaped. This type of pattern can indicate multiple blows from a blunt object, because the first blow typically does not contact any blood. A "high-energy pattern," on the other hand, is made up of many tiny droplets and may indicate a gun shot. Blood spatter analysis can indicate which direction the blood came from and how many separate incidents created the pattern. Analyzing a blood pattern involves studying the size and shape of the stain, the shape and size of the blood droplets and the concentration of the droplets within the pattern. The CSI takes pictures of the pattern and may call in a blood-spatter specialist to analyze it.
Hair and Fibers
A CSI may use combs, tweezers, containers and a filtered vacuum device to collect any hair or fibers at the scene. In a rape case with a live victim, the CSI accompanies the victim to the hospital to obtain any hairs or fibers found on the victim's body during the medical examination. The CSI seals any hair or fiber evidence in separate containers for transport to the lab.
A CSI might recover carpet fibers from a suspect's shoes. The lab can compare these fibers to carpet fibers from the victim's home. Analysts can use hair DNA to identify or eliminate suspects by comparison. The presence of hair on a tool or weapon can identify it as the weapon used in the crime. The crime lab can determine what type of animal the hair came from (human? dog? cow?); and, if it's human, analysts can determine the person's race, what part of the body the hair came from, whether it fell out or was pulled and whether it was dyed.
Tools for recovering fingerprints include brushes, powders, tape, chemicals, lift cards, a magnifying glass and Super Glue. A crime lab can use fingerprints to identify the victim or identify or rule out a suspect. There are several types of prints a CSI might find at a crime scene:
  • Visible: Left by the transfer of blood, paint or another fluid or powder onto a surface that is smooth enough to hold the print; evident to the naked eye
  • Molded: Left in a soft medium like soap, putty or candle wax, forming an impression
  • Latent: Left by the transfer of sweat and natural oils from the fingers onto a surface that is smooth enough to hold the print; not visible to the naked eye
A perpetrator might leave prints on porous or nonporous surfaces. Paper, unfinished wood and cardboard are porous surfaces that will hold a print, and glass, plastic and metal are non-porous surfaces. A CSI will typically look for latent prints on surfaces the perpetrator is likely to have touched. For instance, if there are signs of forced entry on the front door, the outside door knob and door surface are logical places to look for prints. Breathing on a surface or shining a very strong light on it might make a latent print temporarily visible. When you see a TV detective turn a doorknob using a handkerchief, she's probably destroying a latent print. The only way not to corrupt a latent print on a non-porous surface is to not touch it. Proper methods for recovering latent prints include:
  • Powder (for non-porous surfaces): Metallic silver powder or velvet black powder
    A CSI uses whichever powder contrasts most with the color of material holding the print. He gently brushes powder onto the surface in a circular motion until a print is visible; then he starts brushing in the direction of the print ridges. He takes a photo of the print before using tape to lift it (this makes it stand up better in court). He adheres clear tape to the powdered print, draws it back in a smooth motion and then adheres is to a fingerprint card of a contrasting color to the powder.
Analyzing the Evidence: Forensic Science

The first forensics lab in the United States opene*d in 1923 in Los Angeles. In 1932, the FBI established its own forensics lab to serve police departments and other investigating authorities all over the country. The FBI lab is one of the largest in the world. The Denver Crime Lab at the Colorado Bureau of Investigation provides evidence collection and laboratory analysis for any police department in Colorado that requests its services. It also conducts state investigations that don't fall under the jurisdiction of any local authority.
Some specialty departments in the Denver Crime Lab include:
Latent fingerprints and impressions
Develop latent fingerprints; analyze and compare fingerprints, footwear and tire impressions; run fingerprints through the Automated Fingerprint Identification System (AFIS, which utilizes the FBI database) for comparison against hundreds of millions of prints
  • the Polaroid results.
  • Trace evidence
    Run GSR analysis; identify and compare samples of soil, glass, fibers and paint
  • Chemistry
    Conduct analysis and comparison of illicit drugs, explosives and unknown chemicals
  • Computer Crimes
    Recover evidence from computers; perform computer enhancement on audio or video evidence
  • Firearms and toolmark identification
    Identify firearms; test firearms to establish barrel pattern and distance of gun from entrance wound; identify and compare bullets, casings and toolmark impressions
  • Serology and DNA
    Conduct body fluid analysis, including DNA analysis for blood stains, semen and hair for identification and comparison
  • Questioned documents
    Detect forgery and alterations; conduct handwriting comparisons; reconstruct destroyed documents; identify and compares printers, typewriters or copiers used to produce a document
Often, a piece of evidence passes through more than one department for analysis. Each department delivers a complete report of the evidence it analyzed for the case, including the actual results (numbers, measurements, chemical contents) and any expert conclusions the scientists have drawn from these results. The CSI in charge might compile the results and deliver them to the lead detective on the case, or the lab might send the results directly to the detective squad.

You can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics.

What is a countermesure?
A countermeasure is a measure or action taken to counter or offset another one. As a general concept it implies precision, and is any technological or tactical solution or system (often for a military application) designed to prevent an undesirable outcome in the process. The first known use of the term is in 1923.[1]
Countermeasures can refer to the following disciplinary spectrum:
  • defense
  • medicine
  • materials engineering
  • electro-magnetic engineering
  • policing
You can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics.

Mr. Cruel shows intimate familiarity with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics.

Mr Cruel demonstrated an intimate knowledge of forensic science by methodically destroying any physical evidence that might later identify him.

He carefully washed himself and his victims and even got them to brush their teeth and scape under their fingernails.

What is already known about the offender is he plans his crimes carefully and has some rudimentary knowledge of crime scene evidence - leading some to believe he may have a background in law enforcement.
For example, he bathed two of his victims to avoid physical identification, and wiped sinks and benchtops to remove fingerprints. Before releasing another victim, he scrubbed the bathroom and laid a sheet on the lino-covered floor to avoid leaving footprints. In one case, he took a second set of clothes from the girl's home to dress her before she was freed. In another, he dumped the girl clad only in garbage bags so police could not test her original clothes.

Mr. Cruel's experience and knowledge explains why so seemingly little evidence of an intruder was found at Jonbenet's crime scene.

Originally Posted by FairM
The fact seems to be that this individual has not been caught and there is reference to this person possibly fleeing abroad, so I am guessing he might have moved to America if so what Spin is saying is that his m.o fits this crime in a number of respects.
Spin did they ever get any DNA from this guy? I assume not.

No, they never recovered DNA from this guy. No semen, blood or even touch DNA. Nor any other trace evidence. All putative or candidate intruder killers suffers from the problem that their DNA does not match the DNA on JB's longjohns.

Mr. Cruel as will be demonstrated in future lessons, belongs to a class of criminals known as a mastermind.

Here are some examples of criminal masterminds

FairM, Hippo and anyone else interested, in order to understand the planning and sophistication Mr. Cruel went to get Jonbenet, I highly recommend you watch every episode of mastermind

There is a reason why watching Masterminds is helpful, it streches your imagines and allows you to see how far masterminds can go to achieve their goal

As a result of watching the youtube Masterminds, I thought of a question the RDI never consider:

at a CRIME SCENE you find a HANDWRITTEN NOTE purported to be by the KILLER.

What is a common law enforcement tactic in dealing with HANDWRITTEN RANSOM NOTES and what is an effective COUNTER MEASURE?

Forgery is the process of making, adapting, or imitating objects, statistics, or documents with the intent to deceive. Copies, studio replicas, and reproductions are not considered forgeries, though they may later become forgeries through knowing and willful misrepresentations. Forging money or currency is more often called counterfeiting. But consumer goods may also be counterfeits if they are not manufactured or produced by the designated manufacture or producer given on the label or flagged by the trademark symbol. When the object forged is a record or document it is often called a false document.
This usage of "forgery" does not derive from metalwork done at a forge, but it has a parallel history. A sense of "to counterfeit" is already in the Anglo-French verb forger, meaning "falsify."

While Mr. Cruel was good enough to fool fakes like Cina Wong and David Liebman and the RDI he was not good enough to fool Daubert standard FDE's who examined the originals

the redpill; Daubert-standard forensic document examiners eliminate Patsy as author
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