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JonBenét Ramsey Murder Case The ongoing search for the killer of six-year-old JonBenét Ramsey, who was murdered Christmas night, 1996 in Boulder, Colorado. No one has ever been charged with her murder.

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Okay, this is cool. Thanks Spin.

It is something to do with the stungun marks. The excerpts imply that the stungun idea is wrong. So what alternatively could they have been from? A two pronged device that applies electric shock or heat?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_prod
A cattle prod, also called a stock prod, is a handheld device commonly used to make cattle or other livestock move by striking or poking them, or in the case of a Hot-Shot-type prod, through a relatively high-voltage, low-current electric shock.
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Ranchers and farmers use the term "cattle prods" mainly to refer to fibreglass or metal rods used for encouraging cattle to move; the majority of people living outside of rural areas use the term 'cattle prod' exclusively for the electrified variant. Most ranchers and farmers refer to electric cattle prods as "hotshots"[citation needed] (this is an example of a genericized trademark; one of the most prominent brands of electric prod is Hot-Shot).[1]
[edit] Regular prods

Regular cattle prods can actually be anything from a stick (goad) or piece of pipe, to a manufactured fibreglass rod with a rubber handle. Most prods also have a rubber tip, though some have metal tips with dull barbs (in a similar design to a fire poker) for herding stubborn animals. A Wiffleball bat is also often used as an effective prod because the hollow plastic bat makes a sharp ringing sound when slapped against the skin.
Unlike hotshots, regular prods are simply used to tap, strike, or poke an animal (usually on the flanks), depending on how stubborn the animal is. Sometimes, a prod can be used as a sort of "extended fence", allowing one to simply intimidate skittish animals away from open gates or downed fences without having to touch them.
[edit] Electric prods


Electric cattle prod from the 1950s.


A hotshot is typically cylindrical, and can carry an open electric current at the "shock end" when activated. The electric current at the shock end runs through two metal electrodes. Anything that touches the electric current receives a high-voltage low-current shock, not strong enough to kill a human or a large animal such as a cow or sheep from short-term exposure, but strong enough to cause significant pain.
The electric cattle prod is designed to apply a painful shock to cattle, and thus "prod" them along; the pain stimulates movement. Some higher-voltage prods can interfere with radio and CB radio reception when activated.[citation needed]
There are various designs of electric cattle prods. Their shape is often subject to guidelines of what can easily be used and handled. They range in length from six inches (usually of a more encased rectangular prism design like a stun gun), to up to six feet. Anything out of that range is usually too heavy and unwieldy for practical use. Another typical design is a box containing a large battery (or battery pack) at the handle end and wires embedded in a fibreglass rod, ending with two electrodes in a rubber tip. This design is well-suited for use as a regular cattle prod.
Main article: Animal welfare
The use of electric cattle prods has been debated by many people.[2][3] Organizations such as PETA contend that the use of cattle prods is as much mentally harmful as it is physically.[4] Most farmers contend that the short shock is minutely felt, and soon forgotten.[5]
[edit] Usage on humans for torture and treatment

Prior to the development of stun batons and the taser, electric cattle prods were also used on humans. Their first common usage on humans occurred during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s; prods were first adopted by police officers in Alabama to use on black protesters and agencies elsewhere followed; Hotshot later developed an electric police baton.[1] A more recent example of human torture with a cattle prod came to surface when a video was disclosed showing Issa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the brother of crown prince of Abu Dhabi inserting a cattle prod in an Afghan business associate's anus after falling out with him.[6] An electric prod can be an effective torture device for humans and other animals alike.[7] If applied continuously to the skin, the current eventually causes heating, searing, and burning and scarring of skin at the contact point.
The picana is an electric prod based originally on the cattle prod but designed specifically for human torture. It works at very high voltage and low current so as to maximise pain and minimise the physical marks left on the victim. Among its advantages over other torture devices is that it is portable, easy to use, and allows the torturer to localize the electric shocks to the most sensitive places on the body, where they cause intense pain that can be repeated many times.
Electric prods have been used for the control of adverse self-injuring behavior in mentally handicapped people. This use is regarded by some advocates to be more effective than drugs since the experience of a shock is very short and temporary while using a drug may have long-lasting sedative effects.[8]


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Electric shock prods


Electric cattle prod from the 1950s.


It is similar in basic design to an electric cattle prod. It has a metal end split into two parts electrically insulated from each other, or two thin projecting metal electrodes about an inch apart, at an end of a shaft containing the batteries and mechanism. At the other end of the shaft are a handle and a switch. Both electrodes must touch the subject. In some types the sides of the baton can be electrified to stop the subject from grasping the baton above the electrodes. They are often carried in a sheath slung on a belt. Some such devices are available disguised as other objects, such as umbrellas, cell-phones or pens. They may have an option to make a noisy visible electric arc between the electrodes, to warn potential victims.
Some models are built into long flashlights also designed to administer an electric shock with its lit end's metal surround (which is split into halves insulated from each other).
In the beginning of the design, police used electric cattle prods as electric shock prods.
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learn how to make a stungun.in this instructable u learn how to make a tazer out of a kodac trow away camera.this is my first instructable so go easy on me.

A homemade stun gun is quite an easy hardware hack, all that is required is;


1)A disposible camera (Perferibly a Kodak one)

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Step 1)First off, take off the protective plastic case of the camera.


http://www.spyreview.co.uk/2008/04/0...made-stun-gun/


This video provides a clear guide in building your own stun gun. Its very simple too. Unlike commercial stun guns, the shock does not carry nearly as much venom.

And unlike some of the video guides this site has blogged about, this particular guide – making a home-made stun gun – is slightly different in that it is, in effect, a weapon, therefore, anyone making this should do so responsibly. Do not use it on yourself or others as it will give off quite an uncomfortable sting!
The main piece of equipment needed for this project is a disposable camera. You may already have one lying around somewhere or can buy a used one very cheaply on eBay or an electronics hardware store. A slim one is ideal as the end product would look more like a real stun gun. The shock itself derives from the flash that a camera produces when taking a photo. So its vital this is not damaged in any way when taking the camera apart.
Essentially, the crux of this project requires adding wires (in the form of paper clips) to each end of the capacitor. There really isn’t much more to it other than following the straightforward video. This is why I found this to be one of the more simple how-to videos of this type.
This should give you an idea what anyone receiving a shock with a real stun gun must feel, with the power of shock multiplied so many times over, of course. But because the shock is emitted through sharp wires made out of paper clips that obviously have a pointy edge, the pain felt from the shock is still quite uncomfortable, especially as it is charged.
Please do not attempt to increase the power of the shock by introducing any other elements (only work with what is shown) as it can be very dangerous. If you do decide to build one yourself, it is recommended that you strictly follow the video. Unfortunately the tutorial does not come with any commentary but the video itself is clear enough.
Here is the video summarised in written ste

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Homemade Stun Gun


A homemade stun gun is quite an easy hardware hack, all that is required is;

1)A disposible camera (Perferibly a Kodak one)
2)Soldering Iron

Step 1)First off, take off the protective plastic case of the camera.
Step 2)Remove the battery so you don't shock yourself.
Step 3)You'll see a little light bulb about 3/4 inch long. Carefully remove that with out destroying anything.
Step4) You should see two pieces of copper on both sides of the bulb.(see picture, Red Circles) Solder one wire on to each one of these, not together.
Step5)Slap the battery back in and hold down the button, touch the wires to desired object and watch the sparks fly!

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Because this isn't very safe and you have a chance of getting shocked, (personal experience) an easy way to make a protective case is to.
Step1) Cut apart the hard plastic inside of a "Five Star" binder. The tough plastic is very flexible and and can just be glued together.
Step2)Cut to fit the stungun inside.
Step3)Glue together. Don't forget to cut a hole for the button, cardboard works as a good depressor so you don't have to make direct contact with the button. Also slapping a cut up rubber glove over the stungun adds extra protection.

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So Lou Smit's specific Taser brand model stun gun might be a "myth" but there are other ways to deliver those burn including home made stun gun and electric prods.
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So Lou Smit's specific Taser brand model stun gun might be a "myth" but there are other ways to deliver those burn including home made stun gun and electric prods.

There are quite a few hand held stock prodders on the market.



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So, Colorado is ranch country. Is there anyone we know of related (friends workers whatever) to the Ramseys who are also related to a ranch?
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So, Colorado is ranch country. Is there anyone we know of related (friends workers whatever) to the Ramseys who are also related to a ranch?

good question,
a more modern model with wide apart leads

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So, Colorado is ranch country. Is there anyone we know of related (friends workers whatever) to the Ramseys who are also related to a ranch?

As far as I know, sale of these is not controlled.
So you do not need to own stock or work with stock to buy one.
However, in ranch country, there would be plenty of outlets that sell them.
So anyone could own one.
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As far as I know, sale of these is not controlled.
So you do not need to own stock or work with stock to buy one.
However, in ranch country, there would be plenty of outlets that sell them.
So anyone could own one.

additionally, he may have used a custom made one to deliver a high voltage
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As far as I know, sale of these is not controlled.
So you do not need to own stock or work with stock to buy one.
However, in ranch country, there would be plenty of outlets that sell them.
So anyone could own one.

Anyone that has a beaver pond at their ranch? Look at the tan gloves. How about the cowboy boots left in JonBenet's room in Charlevoix?
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good question,
a more modern model with wide apart leads


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So Lou Smit's specific Taser brand model stun gun might be a "myth"

It is.

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but there are other ways to deliver those burn including home made stun gun and electric prods.

There's just one little problem there, spin. They're NOT burns. The autopsy report describes them as "abrasions," aka scrapes. But since that's not enough:

Erin Moriarty: "How sure are you that it's not a stun gun?"

Dr. Werner Spitz: "Well I'm a hundred percent sure because stun gun injuries don't look that way."

Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "Dr. Werner Spitz, a nationally known pathologist who has worked on major cases including the assassination of J.F. Kennedy."

Erin Moriarty: "This was now on her and this was done on a pig skin."

Dr. Werner Spitz: "Are you telling me that this looks to you like the other one, the one that JonBenet has? They don't look like that to me at all. A stun gun injury is an electrical burn, it's a burn essentially. And these don't look like burns."
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There's just one little problem there, spin. They're NOT burns. The autopsy report describes them as "abrasions," aka scrapes.

I'm not sure if they are burns or abrasions.
Abrasions are defined as "a rubbing injury that strips off the outer layers of skin".
The problem I see with this, is that the larger of the twin marks appears to be rectangular or square in shape, rather than round.
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I'm not sure if they are burns or abrasions.
Abrasions are defined as "a rubbing injury that strips off the outer layers of skin".
The problem I see with this, is that the larger of the twin marks appears to be rectangular or square in shape, rather than round.

Well, it helps that you're talking to a man with some experience in this area.
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Well, it helps that you're talking to a man with some experience in this area.

SD , can you elaborate on your "experiment " with the stun gun? - did you take any photos?
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SD , can you elaborate on your "experiment " with the stun gun? - did you take any photos?

Sure, I can tell you about it. I'd be glad to.

A few years ago, I decided to use myself as a guinea pig, you might say. I wouldn't ask someone to do something that I wouldn't do myself. I had to get someone I could trust to zap me, so I went to the first person I could think of: my brother. Surprisingly he didn't put up as much of a fight as I thought he would. Maybe he saw it as an opportunity to get even with me for something. But, he agreed, and we began in earnest.

Before I go any further, let me say this: if I had known or had any reason to think that I could have been killed doing this, I never would have done it. So don't try this at home, kids!

The purpose here was to try and replicate as closely as possible the marks on JonBenet's body.

I actually had him zap me several times. The first time was more of a control test, just to see how this would work. I was standing and he came at me with the thing, flicked the thumb-trigger and let me have it!

It went pretty much as you'd expect: my knees buckled, I went back and to the side as I fell (usually the left side), my arms flailed a little and my hands clenched up. And I SCREAMED. According to him, I sounded like a T-Rex with a toothache.

THe second time I thought maybe my own psychology might have affected the test, so I had him get behind me where I couldn't see where it was coming from. That way, I wouldn't have any warning until a split-second before I got hit when I heard the power kicking on. Same result.

But those were only the prelims. In order to be as accurate as possible, I had him zap me a few times while I was already lying down, since I figured that, if JB had been zapped, she was most likely lying in bed at the time. We did it three times, and by the end of the third time, he said to me, "Guv, I won't do this anymore. I'm backing off before you really hurt yourself."

By then it didn't matter, though, because I had the results I needed. In every case, the marks on my body bore no relation to those on JB.

I didn't take photos, but we did video it.
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Sure, I can tell you about it. I'd be glad to.

A few years ago, I decided to use myself as a guinea pig, you might say. I wouldn't ask someone to do something that I wouldn't do myself. I had to get someone I could trust to zap me, so I went to the first person I could think of: my brother. Surprisingly he didn't put up as much of a fight as I thought he would. Maybe he saw it as an opportunity to get even with me for something. But, he agreed, and we began in earnest.

Before I go any further, let me say this: if I had known or had any reason to think that I could have been killed doing this, I never would have done it. So don't try this at home, kids!

The purpose here was to try and replicate as closely as possible the marks on JonBenet's body.

I actually had him zap me several times. The first time was more of a control test, just to see how this would work. I was standing and he came at me with the thing, flicked the thumb-trigger and let me have it!

It went pretty much as you'd expect: my knees buckled, I went back and to the side as I fell (usually the left side), my arms flailed a little and my hands clenched up. And I SCREAMED. According to him, I sounded like a T-Rex with a toothache.

THe second time I thought maybe my own psychology might have affected the test, so I had him get behind me where I couldn't see where it was coming from. That way, I wouldn't have any warning until a split-second before I got hit when I heard the power kicking on. Same result.

But those were only the prelims. In order to be as accurate as possible, I had him zap me a few times while I was already lying down, since I figured that, if JB had been zapped, she was most likely lying in bed at the time. We did it three times, and by the end of the third time, he said to me, "Guv, I won't do this anymore. I'm backing off before you really hurt yourself."

By then it didn't matter, though, because I had the results I needed. In every case, the marks on my body bore no relation to those on JB.

I didn't take photos, but we did video it.

Thanks SD, you could also have had him zap you when you were sleeping , but he would have to do it when you had no warning - I think you perhaps were anticipating the pain as it were? but I think it was useful from the point of view of the marks on your body not being the same as JonBenet's , I;ll have to take your word for that as you have no proof.
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Thanks SD, you could also have had him zap you when you were sleeping , but he would have to do it when you had no warning - I think you perhaps were anticipating the pain as it were?

The thought had occured to me, FairM. Like I said, we did one control test where I couldn't see him before he zapped me.

But that presented a few logistical problems. Number one, he would have to do it when I wasn't expecting it, because if a time had been set up, I'd never get to sleep! Secondly, we'd have to do it in the house, and that would have raised a whole new set of problems. (Not the least of which was that we would wake up Mum with my yelping. And if THAT had happened, we would have NEEDED that stun gun!)

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Tread softly, FairM. A guy could easily take that the wrong way. I pride myself on being a man of my word, because that's all you have. And if that's not good enough, ask spin and SQ. They've known me longer than you have. They may not like me, but they know I'm a man of my word.
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